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From: Dheeraj Sanghi <>

Subject: Re: Three North-Eastern Railway Questions

Date: 01 Sep 1999 02:08:45 -0500



> My large GOI rail map shows a junction-point station
> called "Juhi" a few kms west of Kanpur Central. I can
> find no trace of it in other sources... What is it? Is it
> an alternative name for Kanpur Anwarganj? (Just a guess).

Juhi is the point where the line to Jhansi bifurcates from
the mainline (Kanpur-Delhi). It is not a passenger halt.
The Central Railway Zone starts from Juhi onwards.

From Kanpur, towards west, the first station is Govindpuri.
Then comes Juhi (not a station), the line bifurcates.
The next station towards Jhansi is Bhimsen, and the
next station towards Delhi is "Panki". So Govindpuri
is a junction according to your strict definition.

The line to Anwarganj bifurcates from Kanpur Central itself.
This is the MG line, and the stations are Central, Anwarganj,
Rawatpur, Kalyanpur, etc. (And IIT is located near Kalyanpur station.)

-dheeraj

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Whatta site!

Date: 01 Sep 1999 02:50:25 -0500


I can only join Sundar in congratulating Shankar on this brilliant
website.
Shankar's love for the IR just overflows and drips all over.

Apurva

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Re: OHE cables snapped

Date: 01 Sep 1999 03:11:15 -0500




Apurva,

I read today in "The Hindu" that boulders had blocked 2 of the 3 lines
through
the Bhor Ghat. Also that 1064 and 6512 Expresses shall be leaving MAS 6
and 5
hours later due to "late running of the pairing train".

Is this a common occurrence - the boulders, I mean.

Regards

Raymond

From: raymond/Polaris <>

Subject: Regenerative Braking on the Ghats

Date: 01 Sep 1999 03:23:10 -0500




Dear gang,

Just another analogy from roads. There is a maxim to be followed while
driving
on ghat roads which says that you must use the same gear coming down the
ghat as
you used going up the ghat. This maxim is basically used only by truck
drivers
nowadays, most car and bus drivers just zip down the ghats, as if there
was no
tomorrow.

Transferring this to the Railways, shouldn't banking engines be used
even while
coming down the ghats, insatead of just using brakes. Bill Aitken calls
one of
the Kerala bus drivers "Big Chief Smokin' Brakes", because of his
over-zealous
use of brakes in the ghats. This was in "Travels by a lesser line"
detailing his
metric pilgrimage around India.

The trains coming down the Bhor Ghat from Khandala to Karjat have the
same
problem. You can smell boiling grease when the train passes through the
tunnels
on the way. Why shouldn't trains coming down the Ghat use banking
engines with
their regenerative braking rather than just the engine in front using
brakes.

Any feedback, gang ?

Raymond

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: OHE cables snapped

Date: 01 Sep 1999 04:29:05 -0500





>
> Is this a common occurrence - the boulders, I mean.

Most of the Bhore ghat is unstable and there is torrential rainfall to
add to the
misery. The size of many rainwater gutters are like paved concrete
roads. Such is
the volume that has to be trained. The heavy trains moving round the
clock must be
transmitting the vibrations to the surrounding hill sides. Yes, boulders
are
common occurrence in the ghats. There is a team of specialists at
Lonavala whose
job is to detect potentially loose boulders and take corrective action
before
monsoon. You would remember that the DQ had derailed less than a month
back in the
same area (less than a km away).

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Re: Regenerative Braking on the Ghats

Date: 01 Sep 1999 04:45:46 -0500


>
> The trains coming down the Bhor Ghat from Khandala to Karjat have the
same
> problem. You can smell boiling grease when the train passes through
the tunnels
> on the way. Why shouldn't trains coming down the Ghat use banking
engines with
> their regenerative braking rather than just the engine in front using
brakes.

Only the early DC engines and the very latest ABB powers have
regenerative brakes.
Rest have dynamic brakes. In case of DC powers (WCM 1, 3 and 4) the
voltage
generated by the traction motors (now working as generators) has to be
raised to
over 1500 V to be pumped back on the line. I remember reading somewhere
that the DC
substations had a massive resistor to absorb the high voltage from
regenerating
locos if there was no locomotive on the line to feed from the additional
supply.
I have never seen the regen brake being used. When asked to demonstrate,
one driver
I was footplating with on a WCM 1 lifted the lever from motoring to
regen and then
changed his mind saying that the loco was too old to handle the stress.
He reasoned
that if the loco were to prang in the middle of the Bhore ghats due to
application
of regen brakes, he would have a lot of explaining to do. He was hauling
the DQ and
the use of regen is not a standard operating procedure.
.However dynamic brakes are very commonly used by many locomotives like
WCG 2 (the
shrill trademark sound from the power is the dynamic brake blower that
runs all the
time by a design defect) and the WDM 2 (which sound like the WCG 2 when
braking on
dynamic).
The simpler AC locos like WAM 4/ WAG 5 cannot regenerate as there is
also a question
of converting the voltage back to grid frequency. These have dynamic
brakes.
The latest AC locos have the fancy electronics switch back the supply in
the correct
phase to the OHE. They use the regen brakes effectively right down to
crawling
speed.

Apurva

From: John Lacey <>

Subject: Re: Has IR Lost One Thousand Stations?? ;)

Date: 01 Sep 1999 05:19:41 -0500


lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
>
> Vadi Elumulai helpfully pointed out that the official Indian Railway
website:
> www.indianrailway.com / www.indianrailways.gov.in
> says there are 6984 stations on the IR network.
> Even if they are only counting passenger stations, my program has
about 1,000 more (and I am missing a few)?
>
> The late 1998 Bradshaw Index (which has many omissions, especially on
smaller lines - and also sometimes has only one entry where there are
two different stations with the same name) itself lists a LOT more than
7000!
>
> My program (which includes stations like Turbhe, for example - freight
only, and some "stops/halts" - but the vast majority are passenger
stations) currently has 7,959 IR stations, and I am missing a few
(suburban stations, and as above). At most there are 5 remaining errors
of "doublecounting" in my collection. I would estimate, with missing
stations filled in and errors corrected, to have 7,975-8,000 stations.
>
> SO, A DIFFERENCE OF 1000?????
>
> Simplest explanation is that IR meant 7,984 not 6,984. Any one has
other views or explanations?
>
> Regards to all
>
> Larry
>
>
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------


The returns for 1972-73 showed 7,098 stations, with 7,093 in the
previous year. The number had risen gradually from 5,976 in 1950-51.
Hope this helps ,
John Lacey

From: Samit Roychoudhury <>

Subject: Fw: Junctions That Aren't?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 06:42:01 -0500


thats what even i thought. mahuva is very much alive. i believe the
delvada
una line (goes near diu) has been shut down.


----- Original Message -----
From: HVC <hvc@vsnl.email
To: S.B.Mehta <sarosh@godrej.email <irfca@cs.email
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:24
Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?


> Mahuva is still very much on IR! In fact it is a fairly big coaching
Depot.
>
> The 30 Km line from Rajula Jn. to Mahuva sees three passenger trains a
day
> in each direction.
>
> Ahemedabad - Mahuva(via Dhola, Dhasa) is under the gauge conversion
plan
> although actual work had not started till late '98.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S.B.Mehta <sarosh@godrej.email
> To: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email lwebber@planetmail.email
> <lwebber@planetmail.email
> Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?
>
>
> Regarding Mahuva Jn.; the complete NG line between Bhavnagar and
> Mahuva Jn. was closed down in the late eighties and later the tracks
> were also removed thus Mahuva Jn. may no longer be there on the
> railway map of India or maybe even if it is mentioned in the map the
> railway line will be non-existent.
>
> Sarosh.
>
>
>
>

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: News from Rediff

Date: 01 Sep 1999 08:23:30 -0500


Howrah special
Southern Railways will run a special train between Madras and Calcutta
during the months of October and November to meet the rush of passengers
during the Durga Puja festival.
The train will depart from Howrah at 1510 hours on Wednesday and Friday
and
reach Madras Central at 1900 hours on Thursday and Saturday.
The train will depart from Madras Central at 1030 hours on Friday and
Sunday
and reach Howrah at 1715 hours on Saturday and Monday.
The train will halt at Gudur, Vijayawada, Rajamundry, Visakhapatnam,
Vijaynagaram, Palasa, Berhampur, Khurda road, Bhubaneshwar, Bhadrakh,
Balsore and Kharagpur.
The train will consist of one air conditioned two tier, 10 sleeper class
coaches, one general second class and two luggauge-cum-brake van
coaches.
The departure dates from Howrah are: October 13, 15, 20, 22, 27, 29 and
November 3, 5, 10, 12, 17 and 19.
The departure dates from Madras are: October15, 17, 22, 24, 29, 31 and
November 5, 7, 12, 14, 19 and 21.

Ganpati special
Central Railways will run a special train between Kurla Terminus and
Madgaon
for the Ganpati festival this year.
The special train, 105 DN, will leave Kurla Terminus at 0030 hours on
September 12 and reach Madgaon at 1320 hours the same day.
On the return journey, 106 UP, will leave Madgaon at 1500 hours on
September
12 and reach Kurla Terminus at 0400 hours the next day.
This train will halt at Thane, Diva, Panvel, Pen, Roha, Veer, Khed,
Chiplun,
Savarda, Sangameshwar, Ratnagiri, Aravalli road, Rajapur road,
Vaibhavwadi
road, Kanakvali, Kudal, Sawantwadi, Pernam, Thivim and Karmali stations
in
both directions.
The twelve coach train will include four sleeper class, six
general-second
class and two general second class cum guard's brake vans.
Central Railway has also decided to augment the coaches of eight trains
from
September 8 to 26 to meet the rush of passengers during this festive
season.
The trains whose coaches would be augmented are:
* Kr-0111/0112, CST-Madgaon-CST, Konkan Kanya.
* Kr-3/Kr-4, Dadar-Ratnagiri-Dadar passenger.
* 0103 / 0104, CST-Madgaon-CST Inter City Express.
* Kr-5/ Kr-6, Diva-Sawantwadi Sindhudurg-Diva passenger.

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: News from Rediff

Date: 01 Sep 1999 08:24:50 -0500


A good start as long as they extend this beyond Bihar!!!
Vijay

Changes!
Eastern Railway has reorganised running of the following trains from
September 1 to December 31 in view of large scale track renewal,
maintenance
and signaling undertaken in Danapur division.
* The 3133 / 3134 Sealdah-Mughalsarai Express will now terminate
at
Danapur and will run between Sealdah and Danapur.
* The 211 / 212 Howrah-Danapur fast passenger will now terminate
at
Mokama and run between Howrah and Mokama.

From: Prateep Chatterjee <>

Subject: Re: Three North-Eastern Railway Questions

Date: 01 Sep 1999 08:42:28 -0500




> Juhi is the point where the line to Jhansi bifurcates from
> the mainline (Kanpur-Delhi). It is not a passenger halt.
> The Central Railway Zone starts from Juhi onwards.

Isn't Juhi supposed to be the yard of Kanpur Central and is located near
Govindpuri because of lack of space availability at Kanpur Central
station itself ? And, doesn't the line to Jhansi bifurcate after
Govindpuri (just after the overbridge) ? As one travels from CNB towards
NDLS, Juhi comes first, then Govindpuri and then Panki.

--
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Graduate Student
Department of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering
and Engineering Mechanics
University of Missouri-Rolla
Rolla, MO 65409
Phone : (573) 308-1542
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From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 08:55:10 -0500


lwebber@planetmail.email wrote:
>
> Are these correct (direct-ish) lines (some may be inactive or still
under construction; does not matter), or have I got something wrong
(e.g., see (p) - does the route from to Amta (terminus) via Andul Jn.?).
> Also, what are the missing en-route stations?
>
> (a) Seoraphuli Jn. Kamarkundu Jn. Terkeshwar

No junction at Kamarkundu, i.e. no connecting tracks between the
Sheraphuli - Tarakeshwar line (upper level) and the Howrah Burdwan Chord
(lower level)

> (b) Dum Dum Jn. Hridaypur Barasat Jn. Habra Gobardanga Bangaon Jn.
Patripol
Far as I remember yes.

> (c) Kalinarayanpur Shantipur
Don't know that one.

> (d) Barasat Jn. Hasnabad
Yes, Barasat - Basirhat - Hasnabad

> (e) Bangaon Jn. Ranaghat Jn. Bagula Gede
Quite sure about Ranaghat - Bagula - Gede. Not certain about the Bangaon
- Ranaghat link, but that is jsut my memory not working upto par most
probably.

> (f) Baliganja Jn. Santoshpur Baj Baj
Yes.

> (g) Santragachi Jn. Sheakhala
Howrah Maidan - Sheakhala used to be the old Martin Burn Light Railway
line which was discontinued and then was supposed to be converted to BG.
Don't know current status, but will investigate.

> (h) Sealdah Baliganja Jn. Sonarpur Jn. Canning
Yes.

> (i) Sonarpur Jn. Baruipur Jn. Magra Hat Diamond Harbour
Yes.

> (j) Baruipur Jn. Gocharan Jaynagar Majilpur Lakshmikantapur Namkhana
Yes.

> (k) Panskura Jn. Tamluk Jn. Digha (West Bengal)
Did the Tamluk - Digha portion finally get built? Last time I looked
that was a station like thing in Digha but there was no connecting line
to Tamluk.

> (l) Tamluk Jn. Dugra Chak Haldia
Yes.

> (m) Bhojudih Jn. Anara Jn.
> (n) Balani Khadan Barajamda Jn.
> (o) Dangoaposi Jn. Padapar Banspani
Don't know

> (p) Andul Jn. Amta
> (q) Andul Jn. Chanpadanga
See (g) above. I don't know the excat status of the proposed BG
conversion.

> (r) Ikra Jn. Damodar Jn.
> (s) Patna Jn. Digha (Bihar)
Don't know about these.

> (t) Mokama Jn. Mokama Ghat
Yes.

> (u) Asansol Jn. Gaurangdih
> (v) Karaila Road Jayant

Don't know about these.

In Calcutta area also, there is:
(i) Princep Ghat - Dum Dum Jn.
This is eventually going to be connected to Brace Bridge on the
Baliganja - Baj Baj line to complete the ring railway.
(ii) Dum Dum Jn. - Baranagar - Bally Halt (upper level no Jn.) - Dankuni
Jn.
Dankuni is on Howrah Burdwan Chord (Howrah - Belur - Bally (lower level)
- Dankuni Jn. - Kamarkundu (lower level) - Shaktigarh - Burdwan.
Incidentally Howrah Burdwan Main Line is Howrah - Bally - Bandel -
Shaktigarh - Burdwan).
(v) Bally Ghat - Bally (neither Jn.) The actual Jn is near Belanagar.
(vi) Shantragachhi - Shalimar
(vii) Dankuni Jn. - Andul Jn. goods chord.
(viii) Ramrajatola - Liluah goods chord.
Ramrajatola is on Howrah - Shantragachhi section of Howrah - Kharagpur
SER main line. Liluah is on Howrah - Bally section of both HB Main Line
and HB Chord.

Note 1) Incidentally the Howrah Burdwan Main Line and Howrah Burdwan
Chord bifurcate at Bally, but the last point where they are connected
together is near Belur, and I don't recall whether that connection is
controlled by Belur or Liluah RRI.

Note 2) Bally Halt is located adjacent to Bally [HBML and HBC] at the
upper level. At this point the Dum Dum - Dankuni line crosses the HBML
and HBC on a flyover.

> According to the Bradshaw detailing latest 1998 name changes,
> it is Baliganja - which has the right "aroma" :) But all
> TTs / Bradshaws are full of contradictions.

If you were a Bengali you'd pronounce it more like Ballygawnj ('a' as in
"after" British pronunciation, 'aw' as in "awful"). If you were a Hindi
speaking person you'd pronounce it Ballygunj ('u' pronounced as in
"cut"). Enter stage left the spelling police bureaucracy, and you get
Baliganja, which represents no particular pronunciation that any real
person ever uses.:-(

TAFN.

Jishnu.

From: Jishnu Mukerji <>

Subject: Re: Three North-Eastern Railway Questions

Date: 01 Sep 1999 09:00:12 -0500


Dheeraj Sanghi wrote:
>
> > My large GOI rail map shows a junction-point station
> > called "Juhi" a few kms west of Kanpur Central. I can
> > find no trace of it in other sources... What is it? Is it
> > an alternative name for Kanpur Anwarganj? (Just a guess).
>
> Juhi is the point where the line to Jhansi bifurcates from
> the mainline (Kanpur-Delhi). It is not a passenger halt.
> The Central Railway Zone starts from Juhi onwards.
>
> >From Kanpur, towards west, the first station is Govindpuri.
> Then comes Juhi (not a station), the line bifurcates.
> The next station towards Jhansi is Bhimsen, and the
> next station towards Delhi is "Panki". So Govindpuri
> is a junction according to your strict definition.

Interestingly in times past, the neame of the station also was Juhi. It
was changed to Govindpuri circa 1970s.

> The line to Anwarganj bifurcates from Kanpur Central itself.
> This is the MG line, and the stations are Central, Anwarganj,
> Rawatpur, Kalyanpur, etc. (And IIT is located near Kalyanpur station.)

Also interesting factoid from my hazy recollection (I am sure Dheeraj
will correct me if I am wrong:)) ... Kanpur Central is strictly speaking
not on the Delhi - Mughal Sarai Main Line. It is on a spur that is
aligned in the direction of Lucknow(?). A single track line connects
Kanpur Central to Chandari on the Delhi - Mughal Sarai Main Line, and
has always been a cause for delays. All Delhi - Mughal Sarai goods
trains bypass Kanpur Central along the line that connects Govindpuri
with Chandari.

Jishnu.

From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 09:05:43 -0500


A junction in IR is where three or more lines meet - parallel MG/BG is
considered as one line. Zonal changeover points
are not junctions unless they meet the above criterion.

Balharshah is not a junction.

Chopan is a junction. Lines to Chunar, Garwa Rd. and Singrauli.

Vijay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lwebber@planetmail.email [SMTP:lwebber@planetmail.email
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:18 PM
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: Junctions That Aren't?
>
> "JUNCTIONS" THAT AREN'T?
>
> All of the following are called Junctions, but do not meet "my" >2
routes
> criterion. Is the reason I have given in brackets the correct reason
for
> their being called Junctions? Please, I am not hung up about
"Junctions"
> ;-) - but validating Junctions is important to establishing the
integrity
> of my routing/bradshaw program.
>
> Balharshah Jn. (SCR & CR meet point?)
>
>
>
> Chopan Jn. (NR & ER meet point?)
>
> Coimbatore Jn. (Is there some connection to Madukkarai (what is
> Madukkarai?))
>
> Kishanganj Jn. (on NEFR - some BG/MG meeting point (but many other
> stations have both)?)
>
> Mahuda Jn. (No clue, but that whole area I am not 100% confident about
-
> pl see below for other questions in ER/SER region)
>
> Mahuva Jn. (In old days, MG/NG meet here, NG line to Bhavnagar
Terminus I
> think is out of service)
>
> Mettupalaiyam Jn.(MG/BG changeover; should not Kalka also then be
called
> Junction?)
>
> Parasia Jn. (SER & CR meet point?)
>
> Pathardih Jn. (OK, Pathardih Bazar is actual meeting point I think -
> Pathardih Jn. itself is a terminus?)
>
> Piplod Jn. (On WR main line near Godhra - I see a little NG spur on
> several maps - where does it go to? I assume it is inactive)
>
> Visakhapatnam Jn. (OK, I know why, actual track meeting is one station
> later...)
>
> Wadi Jn. (actual meeting point is one station away at Halakatta - but
> also, SCR & CR meeting pt)
>
>
> Thanks for any help - and regards to all
>
> Larry
>
>
>
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From: Vijay Balasubramanian <>

Subject: Re: indian super-railway

Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:15:24 -0500


A superb site, Shankar. Another 'jewel' in my IR photo collection.
The two pictures that you scanned from Swagat/Namaskar
magazine - I have them as well. That is first time I laid my eyes on
the
WAP1 loco. and was impressed by it!

Vijay
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S.Shankar [SMTP:shankie@emirates.email
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 4:11 PM
> To: irfca@cs.email
> Subject: indian super-railway
>
> Hello.
>
> Check out my IR supersite (I only call it that. Its nothing super as
> compared to say Sundar's).
>
> Click on:
>
> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/superrailway.htm">http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/9896/superrailway.htm</A>
>
> Everything seems to be ticking in an orderly fashion when last
> tested.Nontheless, do let me know of any broken links or missing
> thumbnails.
>
> I have not yet installed the url for the index on the last page. I
says
> click on the foll url, but there is nothing there after that. I'll put
> it up in a day or two.
>
> This is a large site, so do not open it if you are in a hurry.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Cheers.
>
> Shankar

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes

Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:16:20 -0500


> Yesterday whilst on the way to Dadar, I noticed these zebra stripes
> on a II sleeper coach of the Kanyakumari Express. I could read only
> partly something like 'Vendor ......'. Could it be for those vendors
> who sell tidbits on the train? I wonder if I even read it correctly.

> Sarosh.

On Calcutta locals, the vendor car has big yellow zebra stripes above
the
window. It's not for people who sell things on the train, but for people
who
bring their goods into or out of the city (think rural folks with 100lb
sacks hung over their shoulder). Perhaps the same is also true here?

From: Zubin Lee <>

Subject: doubling of daund-bhigvan line

Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:28:30 -0500


hi folks,

it seems that doubling work of the DD-bhigvan line is scheduled to start
soon. a couple of days ago there was a tender notice asking for
transportation of railway sleepers and oth. paraphernalia to the
section.
i'm not sure whether the doubling will go right upto SUR. apurva, can u
provide the details ? it appears that there is some activity going on in
the
SUR-GTL section as well. pls. correct me if i am wrong.

~zubin.
<A HREF="http://zubin.gen-next.com/">http://zubin.gen-next.com/</A>

From: Shanku Niyogi <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:30:43 -0500


There are actually three stations at Kalyani - the main station, Kalyani
Ghoshpara (I think), and Kalyani Shimanto. The so-called "Kalyani Local"
trains actually enter Kalyani station on a separate platform, then take
a
single line to the other two stations before returning on the same
track.
Effectively, Kalyani is a junction without being called one.

There is also a second station at Kanchrapara (Kanchrapara Workshop, I
think) for the huge rail workshop there - very few locals stop there,
and
the station may not even be listed in the timetable.

Shanku

-----Original Message-----
From: lwebber@planetmail.email [mailto:lwebber@planetmail.email
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:01 PM
To: irfca@cs.email
Cc: Shanku Niyogi
Subject: RE: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?


Shanku Niyogi said:

> If these are the only stations you have on the suburban lines, you're
> missing several of them.


No, these are the lines (or what I *think* are lines) where I only have
map
data (which is confusing where lines are crowded together - specifically
in
the Calcutta and Rajabehra/Dhanbad/Andal/Adra region) and NOT detailed
TT
data.
What I do NOT list, I HAVE ALREADY: just to give a few examples:
(1) Dum Dum Jn. Belgharia Agarpara Sodpur Khardaha
Titagarh Barrackpore Palta Ichhapur Shyamnagar
Kankinara Naihati Jn. Halisahar Kanchrapara Kalyani
Madanpur Simurali Palpara Chakdaha Payradanga
Ranaghat Jn.
(2) Dankuni Jn. Rajchandrapur Halt Bally Halt Bally Ghat
Dakshineswar Baranagar Road Dum Dum Jn. Bidhannagar Road
Sealdah
etc. etc. etc. No shortage of stations! :)



> For example, in (b), you're probably missing about 15-20 stations. The
> Bongaon line is one of the two main suburban lines coming out of
Sealdah
and
> separating at Dum Dum. The other one goes towards Ranaghat. (Actually,
> technically the two suburban lines don't separate at Dum Dum, since
they
run
> on separate tracks and use separate platforms at Bidhannagar Rd, the
> previous stop.
> I don't own an ER timetable, unfortunately - I'll see what I can do.


Many thanks.


> It's Baliganj, not Baliganja.


According to the Bradshaw detailing latest 1998 name changes, it is
Baliganja - which has the right "aroma" :) But all TTs / Bradshaws are
full
of contradictions.



> There are some significant suburban lines missing from this list - I
take
it
> this list doesn't include all suburban lines?


Correct. It is a list ONLY of routes (for which I give start and end
stations, and any intermediate stations I know)
where my data is incomplete or uncertain.




> -----Original Message-----
> Are these correct (direct-ish) lines (some may be inactive or still
under
> construction; does not matter), or have I got something wrong (e.g.,
see
(p)
> - does the route from Calcutta centre to Amta (terminus) go via Andul
Jn.?).
> Also, what are the missing en-route stations?
>
> (a) Seoraphuli Jn. Kamarkundu Jn. Terkeshwar
> (b) Dum Dum Jn. Hridaypur Barasat Jn. Habra
> Gobardanga Bangaon Jn. Patripol
> (c) Kalinarayanpur Shantipur
> (d) Barasat Jn. Hasnabad
> (e) Bangaon Jn. Ranaghat Jn. Bagula Gede
> (f) Baliganja Jn. Santoshpur Baj Baj
> (g) Santragachi Jn. Sheakhala
> (h) Sealdah Baliganja Jn. Sonarpur Jn. Canning
> (i) Sonarpur Jn. Baruipur Jn. Magra Hat Diamond Harbour
> (j) Baruipur Jn. Gocharan Jaynagar Majilpur
> Lakshmikantapur Namkhana
> (k) Panskura Jn. Tamluk Jn. Digha (West Bengal)
> (l) Tamluk Jn. Dugra Chak Haldia
> (m) Bhojudih Jn. Anara Jn.
> (n) Balani Khadan Barajamda Jn.
> (o) Dangoaposi Jn. Padapar Banspani
> (p) Andul Jn. Amta
> (q) Andul Jn. Chanpadanga
> (r) Ikra Jn. Damodar Jn.
> (s) Patna Jn. Digha (Bihar)
> (t) Mokama Jn. Mokama Ghat
> (u) Asansol Jn. Gaurangdih
> (v) Karaila Road Jayant


Regards to all

LW


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From: T.H.Sanyal. <>

Subject: Re: I'm really confused about some points on ER/SER.... Help?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:42:00 -0500


Larry Webber wrote:

>What I do NOT list, I HAVE ALREADY: just to give a few examples:
>(1) Dum Dum Jn. Belgharia Agarpara Sodpur Khardaha
>Titagar
>Barrackpore Palta
> Ichhapur Shyamnagar Kankinara Naihati Jn.

There is now a new station between Shyamnagar and Kankinara called
Jagaddal.

>Halisahar Kanchrapara Kalyani
> Madanpur Simurali Palpara Chakdaha
Payradanga
>Ranaghat Jn.
>(2) Dankuni Jn. Rajchandrapur Halt Bally Halt Bally Ghat
>Dakshineswar Baranagar
> Road Dum Dum Jn. Bidhannagar Road Sealdah
>etc. etc. etc. No shortage of stations! :)

Also, Sealdah DumDum Ranaghat Gede is the main line of ER's Sealdah
division. DumDum - Dankuni, DumDum - Bangaon are considered branch
lines.

>According to the Bradshaw detailing latest 1998 name changes, it is
Baliganja
>-
> which has the right "aroma" :) But all TTs / Bradshaws are full of
> contradictions.

This is strange. The ending 'a' in Baliganja is never pronounced.
So if they had to change it from the erstwhile Ballygunge, they
should have just made it Baliganj.

I am trying to provide some more info below.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> Are these correct (direct-ish) lines (some may be inactive or still
under
>> construction; does not matter), or have I got something wrong (e.g.,
see (p)
>> - does the route from Calcutta centre to Amta (terminus) go via Andul
Jn.?).

The BIG problem with Calcutta's suburban railway system is that (unlike
Bombay's and Madras's) the Calcutta termini of Howrah and Sealdah are
nowhere near the city centre. Having said that, the railway route to
Amta (from Howrah) does I believe pass through Andul. This is supposed
to be a replacement for the now defunct Howrah (Maidan) - Amta Light
railway. There was another light railway to Sheakhala, whose replacement
was supposed to start from Dankuni Jn of ER, but now you are saying
this line starts from Santragachhi Jn of SER? Does anyone know
the facts about this?

>> Also, what are the missing en-route stations?
>>
>> (a) Seoraphuli Jn. Kamarkundu Jn. Terkeshwar

Singur and Haripal are two intermediate stations, there are more.
Terkeshwar is misspelling. The first 'e' should definitely be an 'a',
I don't know the complete spelling as used in IR. One problem is that
IR usage often varies from local usage.

>> (b) Dum Dum Jn. Hridaypur Barasat Jn. Habra
>> Gobardanga Bangaon Jn. Patripol

Between DumDum Jn and Hridaypur: DumDum Cantonment, Birati, and
Madhyamgram are major stations. There are a few lesser stations.
Between Barasat Jn and Habra: Dattapukur, Bira, Guma, Ashoknagar Road,
and a few more.
There are some other stations between Habra and Bangaon. Patripol
is misspelt, it should be Petrapol. This is a station near the border
with Bangladesh, and as far as I know this station is not in use.

>> (c) Kalinarayanpur Shantipur

Phulia and Habibpur.

>> (d) Barasat Jn. Hasnabad

Kareya Kadambagachhi, Taki Road are two. There are several more.

>> (e) Bangaon Jn. Ranaghat Jn. Bagula Gede

Between Ranaghat and Bagula: Taraknagar halt, Aranghata.
Between Bagula and Gede: Majhdia, Banpur.
I may be missing one or two here, but probably not.

>> (f) Baliganja Jn. Santoshpur Baj Baj

Baliganja (sic), Lake Gardens, Taliganja, New Alipur, Majherhat,
Brace Bridge, Santoshpur, Akra, Nangi(Nungi?), Baj Baj.

>> (h) Sealdah Baliganja Jn. Sonarpur Jn. Canning

Sealdah (South), Park Circus, Baliganja, Dhakuria, Jadabpur, Garia,
Sonarpur. I am probably missing something between Jadabpur and Garia.
Between Sonarpur and Canning, there are Piali, Champahati, Ghutiari
Sharif and Taldi and possibly a few more and I am not sure about the
sequence.

>> (j) Baruipur Jn. Gocharan Jaynagar Majilpur
>> Lakshmikantapur Namkhana

Is the section from Lakshmikantapur to Namkhana complete?

>> (p) Andul Jn. Amta
>> (q) Andul Jn. Chanpadanga

I believe these should be Andul Jn - Bargachia Jn - Amta and
Bargachia Jn - Chanpadanga.

>> (t) Mokama Jn. Mokama Ghat

There is probably no intermediate station between these two.

I really think someone with current ER/SER timetables ought to provide
the correct information. I wrote what I could remember. Sorry.

ths.

From: lwebber <>

Subject: Re: Junctions That Aren't?

Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:43:31 -0500


Raymond said:

> Larry,
>
> Two answers,
>
> Coimbatore is one of the three points in a triangle of junctions :
Coimbatore,
> Coimbatore North, and Podanur.


Sure, but it only has 2 lines coming "out" of it - to Coim North and to
Podanur. The other two have 3... So, WHY is it a "Jn."?


> Wadi is the original junction. Only recently, have the railways laid a
loop line
> from the Raichur side directly to the Secunderabad line, thus
obviating the
> change of direction at Wadi for trains like the Rayalseema. It was on
this loop
> line that Halakatta was installed.


BUT Wadi's "Jn." status still appears in the Bradshaws, which was my
point.


> Do you also have Gooty as a Jn.


Sure, on SCR/BG - 3 lines:

Gooty-Kalluru (where the line from Guntakal is joined, and progresses to
Dharmavaram)

Gooty-Guntakal

Gooty-Cuddapah-Renigunta


> Regards
>
> Raymond



Regards to all

Larry

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