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From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: IR website

Date: 16 Nov 1998 00:51:59 -0500

Great site although nothing new to add. There is an online time table
but the details are very coarse. Also the TT is incomplete. But yes -
it is a start - for the first time the corporate identity of the IR
has been placed on the web. Check out the colour coded zonal maps.

Apurva

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: IR website

Date: 16 Nov 1998 00:56:47 -0500

The loco shown in the
<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/overview/statcont.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/overview/statcont.html</A>
is some green American loco ! Shame.

From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <>

Subject: Pune - Nashik dream train!

Date: 16 Nov 1998 01:07:03 -0500

Hi!

On Sun, 15 Nov 1998, Apurva Bahadur wrote:

> Gang !

> This would facilitate the starting of a long awaited Pune - Nashik
> train. Today the transport from Pune to Nashik is solely by road
> transport.
>
> Apurva
>
But, Apurva this route is time consuming. Will not a train from Pune to
Nashik via Kalyan possible? It should be of superfast status (2hrs for
Pune Kalyan & further 2hrs ,30 min to Nashik)& with twin engines, one in
the front & one on the rear, so at Kalyan the rear one can act as front
one & take the train onwards to Nashik or to Pune on it's way back from
Nashik. Or is it that twin engines are not possible while coming down
the
ghats? or else the railways could have this type of train way back.
Please add technical info to this, which I lack.

Bye

Shrinivas

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Manmad Jn

Date: 16 Nov 1998 02:35:16 -0500

>Manmad Jn is located on the Mumbai - Bhusawal main line. It is joined
>from the East by the single line from Daund and the from the North east
>by the single line from Nanded and eventually Hyderabad. What is
>interesting about this station is the arrangement used to compensate
for
>the lack of a triangle.
>Let me explain.
>When a train comes from Daund, the tracks naturally allow the rake to
>come onto the platform where it may proceed towards Bhusawal without
>reversing. Similarly a train coming from Bhusawal can enter the Daund
>line without reversing. But if a train is to come from Daund and then
>proceed towards Mumbai..........

There is no such train as on date nor there will ever be one likely. Not
even a freight train. Why on earth would a train coming from Daund and
wanting to go to Bombay would take this tedious, long single line route
when
it can go straight via pune in 5-6 hours flat? Considering that even if
there is one in the offing(like a Pune Nasik train say), it will be
easiar
to lay a single line connection from Ankai Fort towards Bombay than to
block
three sections for it. It doesn't really need to go to Manmad, or does
it ?

..........the loco would have to be attached on the other
>side as there is no triangle towards Mumbai on the Daund line.
>The Daund line enters Manmad from the Mumbai end and the Nanded line
>enters Manmad from the Bhusawal end.
>The Daund line as well as the (MG converted to BG line) Nanded line run
>parallel but at some distance from each other till the first station
>Ankai.

It is Ankai Fort(Killa) and not Ankai Station(which you pass only on
Pune-Manmad route) where the changeover points are located and no
passanger
trains stop here. It is used only by north bound freight trains from
Daund
who want to avoid touching Manmad through the triangle on the far end.

> Then the two lines diverge. At this point the railways have
>constructed a cross line. This allows a train coming from Daund (and
>wanting to go to Mumbai) to cross over to the Nanded - Manmad track.
>Thus the train to enters Manmad already facing Mumbai thus the need for
>a triangle is avoided at Manmad. I have not seen this personally but
was
>told to me by a IR fan staying in that area. Gang traveling on this
>route keep your eyes peeled for details.

Don't be disappointed as you can always feast your eyes on the
magnificient
hill on which the fantastic Ankai fort is located. It is a sheer drop on
all
four sides as if chiselled.

>This would facilitate the starting of a long awaited Pune - Nashik
>train. Today the transport from Pune to Nashik is solely by road
>transport.

Only short distance passengers would be interested in such a train. It
takes
six hours by the fastest train to travel from Pune to Manmad. In this
time
you can easily reach Nasik by road.

HARSH

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Goa Express link

Date: 16 Nov 1998 02:41:37 -0500

Is the VSKP express still sharing the rake with Goa Express ? Why should Hubli division agree to maintain a rake for a train traveling from Nizamuddin to Vishakhapatnam ??

I will shortly come back to you on this subject.

HARSH

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: train liveries

Date: 16 Nov 1998 02:45:57 -0500

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
To: Harsh Vardhan <champa@del3.email
Cc: Balasubramanian, Vijay <vbalasubramanian@noblestar.email Indian
Railways
List <irfca@cs.email
Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: train liveries

>> It is Pune station platform No. 2 only which is electrified with 1.5
KV
>> DC(pillers visible in the picture) and it is the down train which has
just
>> arrived from Daund side. This is an evening picture and Udyan arrives
at
>> 16.00 at Pune.
>
>Pune does not get ANY double headed passenger stock except for when a
>loco fails en route and is towed dead or when a shut down loco gets
>transported to Daund yard with a passenger rake.
>
>Of course this is not the story with goods trains - we regularly get
>double or even triple WDM 2 headed freighters which are very
>satisfactory to watch. When the 3000 tonne BCN rake goes slowly though
>the maze of points to enter the through line, the WDM 2s open up,
>sending clouds of black smoke in the sky and the rake creaks and
strains
>to gather speed - this is an excellent opportunity to catch the locos
in
>a loaded condition when the wheel speed is very slow. They sound divine

Who said anything about it being a double headed train. As far as I can
see
it has only one KJM power 18508.

HARSH

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: IR website

Date: 16 Nov 1998 04:04:46 -0500

Indeed.
What on earth is a Burlington Northern diesel unit doing on an OFFICIAL
IR
website?
It should be replaced with something to do with the IR pronto.
Best regards.
Shankar

At 02:26 PM 11/16/98 +0530, you wrote:
>The loco shown in the
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/overview/statcont.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/overview/statcont.html</A>
>is some green American loco ! Shame.
>
>

From: Shankar <>

Subject: Re: IR OFFICIAL WEBSITE - has been located

Date: 16 Nov 1998 04:09:11 -0500

Hello,
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I was about to send a mail to Harsh enquiring as to whether the latest
Yearbook is out. I have been regularly purchasing it for some years now.
I
used to preserve them, but don't, any longer. But I still buy them.
My FAVORITE section has always been the one on RDSO's activities.
(Research
and Development).
Harsh, is the site hosted by one of your close professional colleagues?
The
address is so very similar to yours: del3@vsnl.email with only the
'champa'
replaced?
Best regards/
Shankar

At 10:59 AM 11/16/98 +0530, you wrote:
>Gang,
>
>I was surfing the net recently and found the Official IR site. The site
is
very very detailed and informative, though not much on history
>
>It will suffice to go to the welcome or home page, but for direct
access to
specific pages / information the list of pages will be useful
>
>A lot of pages will have to be updated with this link. It seems to be a
very recent development (24 Oct 98)
>
>I have not found reference to this site anywhere else yet
>
>OFFICIAL WELCOME PAGE
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/">http://www.indianrailway.com/</A>
>
>HOME PAGE
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/index1.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/index1.html</A>
>
>HISTORY
>
>Page 1 - 16th April, 1853 - The Beginning, Has a total 4 pages
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/history.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/history.html</A>
>
>PASSENGER SERVICES
>
>Main Page - Passenger Services
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/pas.htm">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/pas.htm</A>
>
>Passenger Services and Information
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/custserv.htm">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/custserv.htm</A>
>
>Rajdhani & Shatabdi Expresses
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/raj&shat.htm">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/raj&shat.htm</A>
>
>New Passenger Services w.e.f. 15 August 1998
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/pasngerv.htm">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/pasngerv.htm</A>
>
>Reservations
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/reserve.htm">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/reserve.htm</A>
>
>Tourist Cars
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tou_car.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tou_car.html</A>
>
>Accident Compensation Claims
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/claim.htm">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/claim.htm</A>
>
>TOURIST INFO
>
>Main Page - Tourist Information and Trains
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tourist.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tourist.html</A>
>
>Palace on Wheels
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/palacew.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/palacew.html</A>
>
>The Royal Orient Express
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/orient.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/orient.html</A>
>
>Hill Trains of India
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/hill.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/hill.html</A>
>
>Information on individual railways given here - Shimla / Ooty /
Darjeeling
/ Matheran / Shivalik
>
>Tourist Cars
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tou_car.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tou_car.html</A>
>
>Hotels by Indian Railways
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/hotel.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/hotel.html</A>
>
>Indrail Pass
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/indrail.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/indrail.html</A>
>
>TIMETABLE
>
>Main Page â Timetable for Indian Railways â Trains at a Glance
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tt.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tt.html</A>
>
>Rajdhani Information
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/paslef-r.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/paslef-r.html</A>
>
>Shatabdi Information
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/paslef-s.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/paslef-s.html</A>
>
>SPECIAL TRAINS
>
>Main Page â Special Trains
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/special.htm">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/special.htm</A>
>
>NETWORK
>
>Main Page - Network Map of Indian Railways
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/network/network.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/network/network.html</A>
>
>Southern Railways / Northern Railways / Western Railways / South
Eastern
Railways /
>
>Central Railways System Maps also available
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/network/central.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/network/central.html</A>
>
>CITIZENS CHARTER
>
>Main Page - Citizens Charter on Passenger Services of Indian Railways -
Preamble
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/citizen/charter.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/citizen/charter.html</A>
>
>BUDGET
>
>Main Page - Railway Budget 1998 - 99
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/budget/budget.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/budget/budget.html</A>
>
>STATUS PAPER
>
>Main Page - Table of Contents (click on each subhead for more
information)
>
>Status Paper on Indian Railways â Ministry of Railways - (Railway
Board)
27th May, 1998
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/status/status-open.htm">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/status/status-open.htm</A>
>
>PURCHASE & TENDERS
>
>Main Page - Purchase and Tender Information
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/purchase/pur.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/purchase/pur.html</A>
>
>New Tenders Information / Material Management
>
>CORPORATE OVERVIEW
>
>Main Page - Corporate Overview
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/overview/statcont.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/overview/statcont.html</A>
>
>The IR System / Planning / Tracks / Electrification / Signal & Telecom
/
Rolling Stock
>
>Traction / Passenger Business / Freight Operations / Utilisation of
Assets
/ Safety
>
>Personnel / Finance / Research and Development / Self Sufficiency
>
>ORGANISATION
>
>Main Page - Organisation Structure of Indian Railways
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/orgn.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/orgn.html</A>
>
>Key Contacts At Indian Railways
>
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/key_orgn.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/key_orgn.html</A>
>
>Rajan Mathew
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
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>
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>Gang,
>I was surfing the net recently and found the Official IR site. The
site is
>very very detailed and informative, though not much on history
>It will suffice to go to the welcome or home page, but for direct
access to
>specific pages / information the list of pages will be useful
>A lot of pages will have to be updated with this link. It seems to
be a
very
>recent development (24 Oct 98)
>I have not found reference to this site anywhere else yet
>OFFICIAL WELCOME PAGE
><A href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/</A><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/</A><FONT</A> face=Arial
size=2>
>HOME PAGE
><A
href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/index1.html"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/index1.html"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/index1.html</A><">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/index1.html</A><</A>
FONT
>face=Arial size=2>
>HISTORY
>Page 1 - 16th April, 1853 - The Beginning, Has a total 4
>pages
><A
href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/history.html"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/history.html"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/history.html</A>">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/history.html</A></A>
face=Arial size=2>
>PASSENGER SERVICES
>Main Page - Passenger Services
><A
href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/pas.htm"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/pas.htm"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/pas.htm</A">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/pas.htm</A</A>
>face=Arial size=2>
>Passenger Services and Information
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/custserv.htm"><FON">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/custserv.htm"><FON</A>
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T></
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>Rajdhani & Shatabdi Expresses
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/raj&shat.htm"><FON">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/raj&shat.htm"><FON</A>
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/FON
T></A>face=Arial size=2>
>New Passenger Services w.e.f. 15 August 1998
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/pasngerv.htm"><FON">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/pasngerv.htm"><FON</A>
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>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/pasngerv.htm</FON">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/pasngerv.htm</FON</A>
T></
A>face=Arial size=2>
>Reservations
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/reserve.htm"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/reserve.htm"><FONT</A>

>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/reserve.htm</FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/reserve.htm</FONT</A>
></A
>face=Arial size=2>
>Tourist Cars
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tou_car.html"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tou_car.html"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tou_car.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tou_car.html</A>
</A>
face=Arial size=2>
>Accident Compensation Claims
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/claim.htm"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/claim.htm"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/claim.htm<">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/claim.htm<</A>
/A>face=Arial size=2>
>TOURIST INFO
>Main Page - Tourist Information and Trains
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tourist.html"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tourist.html"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tourist.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tourist.html</A>
</A>
face=Arial size=2>
>Palace on Wheels
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/palacew.html"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/palacew.html"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/palacew.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/palacew.html</A>
</A>
face=Arial size=2>
>The Royal Orient Express 
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/orient.html"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/orient.html"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/orient.html<">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/orient.html<</A>
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>Hill Trains of India
><A
href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/hill.html"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/hill.html"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/hill.html</A">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/hill.html</A</A>
>face=Arial size=2>
>Information on individual railways given here - Shimla / Ooty /
Darjeeling /
>Matheran / Shivalik
>Tourist Cars
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tou_car.html"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tou_car.html"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tou_car.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/tou_car.html</A>
</A>
face=Arial size=2>
>Hotels by Indian Railways
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/hotel.html"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/hotel.html"><FONT</A>
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>Indrail Pass
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/indrail.html"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/indrail.html"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/indrail.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tourist/indrail.html</A>
</A>
face=Arial size=2>
>TIMETABLE
>Main Page – Timetable for Indian Railways – Trains at a
>Glance
><A href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tt.html"><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tt.html"><FONT</A>
>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tt.html</A><FONT">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/tt.html</A><FONT</A>

>face=Arial size=2>
>Rajdhani Information
><A
>href="<A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/paslef-r.html"><FO">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/passenger/paslef-r.html"><FO</A>
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>Shatabdi Information
><A
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NT><
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>SPECIAL TRAINS
>Main Page – Special Trains
><A
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>size=2><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/special.htm</A><">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/special.htm</A><</A>
FONT
>face=Arial size=2>
>NETWORK
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From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Pune - Nashik dream train!

Date: 16 Nov 1998 04:29:23 -0500

If such a train does come in then it should be via Daund / Ahmednagar /
Manmad / Nasik since all these places can get interconnected and the
load is
less in this section . Ideally a day train will do the job

Lets do a route distance time analysis

Pune - Kalyan 139 + Kalyan Nasik 135 = Total 273 km
Estimated travel time 6 hrs 15 mins *time based on existing trains
covering
similar sections in approx same time with margin for reversals
One reversal at Kalyan
One halt for fixing engines to climb ghat at Kasara / Karjat
One halt to remove engine after climb at Igatpuri / Lonavala
Two ghats are negotiated, lines are trunk routes - very busy with local
trains
Assuming a WCAM is used to remove problem of engine change at Igatpuri
due
to AC/DC traction change

Pune - Daund 76 km + Daund - Manmad 238 km + Manmad - Nasik 73 km =
Total
387 km
Estimated run time 7 hrs *time based on existing trains covering similar
sections in approx same time with margin for reversals
Two reversals, one at Daund and the other at Manmad
Traction Diesel
Single line between Daund and Manmad

I don't really believe that line on superfast trains because in 1998 our
fastest Mumbai Pune Train (Shatabdi)
takes 3 hrs 20 min - unlike the Deccan Queen in 1938 which had its run
in 2
hrs 45 min (*source rail exhibition in Mumbai CST earlier this year)

-----Original Message-----
From: SHRINIVAS V. JOSHI <smg@godrej.email
To: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
Cc: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 2:43 PM
Subject: Pune - Nashik dream train!

>
>
>Hi!
>
>
>
>On Sun, 15 Nov 1998, Apurva Bahadur wrote:
>
>> Gang !
>
>> This would facilitate the starting of a long awaited Pune - Nashik
>> train. Today the transport from Pune to Nashik is solely by road
>> transport.
>>
>> Apurva
>>
>But, Apurva this route is time consuming. Will not a train from Pune to
>Nashik via Kalyan possible? It should be of superfast status (2hrs for
>Pune Kalyan & further 2hrs ,30 min to Nashik)& with twin engines, one
in
>the front & one on the rear, so at Kalyan the rear one can act as front
>one & take the train onwards to Nashik or to Pune on it's way back from
>Nashik. Or is it that twin engines are not possible while coming down
the
>ghats? or else the railways could have this type of train way back.
>Please add technical info to this, which I lack.
>
>Bye
>
>Shrinivas
>

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: IR website

Date: 16 Nov 1998 04:34:44 -0500

Even the ads of Central Railway in June 1998
for the Kurla Mangalore Superfast Express - now the Matsyagandha Express
in major papers here showed a loco cruising down the coast
The loco was like one of those Union Pacific or Santa Fe diesels.
A shame here too....

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
To: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email Rajan Mathew <rajanmathew@usa.email
Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 2:20 PM
Subject: IR website

>The loco shown in the
><A HREF="http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/overview/statcont.html">http://www.indianrailway.com/railway/overview/statcont.html</A>
>is some green American loco ! Shame.
>

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: train liveries

Date: 16 Nov 1998 04:44:02 -0500

>>Of late, some WCAM Bhel engines - model numbers still confuse me are
being
>>repainted.

+ Sorry, I didn't realise I was too general with that statement, was
infact
reffering to the WCAM 3 of CR, where at CST yard I noticed that the
locos
painted blue and white with the red band, matching the livery of the
deccan
queen - unfortunately I coudnt note the number at the time

>Rajan please be specific - WCAM 3 of the CR or the WCAM 2 of the WR ? I
saw
>a dead WCAM 3 about 2 months back at Pune in the dark blue and cream
livery
>which was the standard colour scheme of the WCM 1/2 & 5 for many years.

Rajan Mathew

From: Madhav Acharya <>

Subject: Re: Discovery channel

Date: 16 Nov 1998 05:22:44 -0500

Speaking of train programs, PBS has in the past aired a really good
documentary
called the "Great Indian Railway" or some such thing which was about two
hours
long. Among the different trains that they showed were
Darjeeling toy train, journey on the GT to Madras (and subsequent
arrival
in Madras), Bombay suburban passenger traffic (with the obligatory shot
of Churchgate during peak time), the demise of the steam locos, Palace
on
wheels, Konkan Railway and a lot of really great shots of different
trains
such as Shatabdi, Rajdhani etc. A must see for everyone on this list !

Madhav

From: Apurva Bahadur <>

Subject: Program on the Discovery channel

Date: 16 Nov 1998 06:01:09 -0500

Gang !

Did you catch the 'train accidents' on discovery channel yesterday ? I
was surprised to know of the following statistics - there is a road -
rail collision every 90 minutes in the US - there were over 400 deaths
in the last year due to vehicle accidents at the level crossing in the
US. I thought this was purely a third world phenomena ! The other
accidents discussed were derailment over a bridge because a barge had
collided with a bridge pillar and knocked the alignment off and
derailments due to sabotage. Also a description of some sort of GPS
system which ensures that that a train is in located where it should be,
else the current is switched off. This system was introduced after a
deliberate ramming of a Paris train due to the driver of another train
not applying brakes due to some reason best known to him.

Apurva

From: Rajan Mathew <>

Subject: Re: Discovery channel

Date: 16 Nov 1998 07:02:01 -0500

I watched the programme at 0200 today. For rail enthusiasts it exhibits
some
"mishaps" in the same systems normally so keenly followed for their
"haps" -
( Happenings ).

-----Original Message-----
From: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
To: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 9:00 AM
Subject: Discovery channel

>Gang !
>
>The local paper in Pune lists a program on the Discovery channel today
-
>Saturday or tomorrow Sunday, at 2300 Hrs India standard time on railway
>disasters. The date is not clear. The writer wonders why anyone would
>want to watch train disasters. I really wonder why we railway
>enthusiasts are in such short supply.
>Be sure to catch the program.
>
>Apurva
>

From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Re: train liveries

Date: 16 Nov 1998 07:52:41 -0500

> I thought I had forgotten something when I didn't mention the
> Vidharbha
> Express which has very interesting colours of grey, white and
> bright blue
>

Interesting! This seems to resemeble the livery of the Steel and Ispat
Exps. (if they still have one). Is the Vidarbha pattern as follows:
Blue
at the top and bottom, grey at the windows with two white stripes
surrounding it? If so, then this is the Steel/Ispat livery.

Vijay

From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Re: Manmad Jn

Date: 16 Nov 1998 08:01:58 -0500

> The Daund line enters Manmad from the Mumbai end and the Nanded line
> enters Manmad from the Bhusawal end.
> The Daund line as well as the (MG converted to BG line)
> Nanded line run
> parallel but at some distance from each other till the first station
> Ankai. Then the two lines diverge. At this point the railways have
> constructed a cross line. This allows a train coming from Daund (and

I am confused! How can the Nanded and Daund line run parallel for quite
a
distance beyond Manmad if they are entering Manmad from two different
directions? Are you implying that one of them is extended beyond the
station limits so as to accompany the other line for some distance?
A crude layout would be helpful.

Vijay

From: Balasubramanian, Vijay <>

Subject: Re: IR website

Date: 16 Nov 1998 08:15:49 -0500

A great start. Hopefully, they'll keep updating the timetable info.
Was
looking at the Trivandrum Raj. schedule and noticed that Cannanore and
Sawantwadi Rd. have been added to the halt list. But the halt pattern
in
the Nizamuddin-Vasai section is wierd. Just the one halt at Vadodara
although the Rediff page as well the IR magazine mentions Kota and
Ratlam as
halts. Maybe, they are just technical halts. Surely, they are big
enough
to warrant a Rajdhani-type train to Goa and the South. But then who
knows
how IR minds operate!! I also noticed that the Vasai halt is 20 mts. so
the
train must be hauled by a WCAM2 between Vadodara and Vasai, and a WDM2
after
Vasai.

Vijay

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: Discovery channel

Date: 16 Nov 1998 09:05:44 -0500

-----Original Message-----
From: Madhav Acharya <madhav_acharya@email.email
To: Apurva Bahadur <iti@giaspn01.email
Cc: IRFCA <irfca@cs.email
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Discovery channel

>Speaking of train programs, PBS has in the past aired a really good
>documentary
>called the "Great Indian Railway"

Forgive this ignorant nerd but what on earth is PBS??!!?

HARSH

From: Madhav Acharya <>

Subject: Re: Discovery channel

Date: 16 Nov 1998 09:10:57 -0500

Harsh,

Sorry about that - PBS is the Public Broadcasting Service, a
not-for-profit
channel
in the US. They air excellent programs and are supported only by
viewers'
and larger funding agencies for donations i.e. no ads. If I'm not
mistaken, Carl
Sagan's "Cosmos", which was shown on TV in India in the mid-80s, was
produced
for PBS.

Madhav

From: Harsh Vardhan <>

Subject: Re: IR OFFICIAL WEBSITE - has been located

Date: 16 Nov 1998 09:40:59 -0500

-----Original Message-----
From: Shankar <shankie@emirates.email
To: Rajan Mathew <rajanmathew@usa.email
Cc: irfca@cs.email <irfca@cs.email
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: IR OFFICIAL WEBSITE - has been located

>Harsh, is the site hosted by one of your close professional colleagues?
The
>address is so very similar to yours: del3@vsnl.email with only the
'champa'
>replaced?

No, NO! No such luck. del 1/2/3, nde, ndb, gias01/02/03 are all
VSNL(videsh
sanchar nigam Ltd.) servers - the government monopoly body for internet
access in India till date.

HARSH

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